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Filtered. Leak and feel my wrath.


John finally decided to come clean to me last night. He's 'interested' in someone.

Great. Good. Fantastic. I wish him all the best. Really, I do.

This has been a sort of ongoing issue between the two of us. I've suspected it for a bit. My biggest concern, obviously, is if he's having other girls around David. I would just like to know about it if that's the case. He's been vociferously denying it to me while proclaiming his love all over the internet (and a word of advice, if you don't want someone to find out, don't fucking post it publically. Not a hard concept to grasp).

But anyway, good for him. And, I am glad he told me about it. I asked if it was someone I knew. He said "maybe". I asked who it was, and he blurts out the name of a girl I have known for years. Yeah John, I might know her.

He'd like to paint this picture that he's 100 percent honest about the whole thing, but I sincerely doubt that his interest all of a sudden came up in the last day or so. Especially since shes coming by bus to spend a week with him. Don't even try to tell me that it hasn't been going on for a while.

Oh, and she's younger than me. Not that I have ANY issue with age differences (I'd be a hypocrite if I did), but c'mon! He made a huge, huge, HUGE deal to me about how I was the only one that much younger than him he could ever fall for. I just don't get it.

And I have to wonder about her intelligence, getting involved with him when she KNOWS what went on between him and I and his inability to stay faithful.

I really, really want to boot her from my friends list and my myspace. Especially since I think she only added me to see what I was saying about him.


OH THE TANGLED WEBS WE WEAVE

ETA: Oh look! She IM'ed me to let me know that she would never interfere with John and David. Well. That's nice love, but it's also a moot point becuase as far as I am concerned, David won't ever be down there around you. Anyone who is dumb enough to get on a bus to go spend a week with someone who obviously has thing for younger girls AND an inability to stay faithful is too dumb to be around my son.

And might I add that everything he is saying to her is the EXACT same set of BS he fed me. Word. For. Word.

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shawshawshaw
Oct. 11th, 2006 05:49 am (UTC)
and the web keeps weaving and weaving....
___foulnectar
Oct. 11th, 2006 06:26 am (UTC)
Gah.
Usually when I disagree with someone or think they're full of it I keep my mouth shut because the drama that follows just isn't worth it... but I have to say something here because Chenoa and John are two of my closest, most treasured friends. I have a feeling you already know this. It's odd to me that you say you wish him all the best then go on to not only attack them but attack them personally and in a way they can't even defend themselves.
For one, though, the thing between them is a fairly new thing ... only starting up after she broke up with her boyfriend (which had nothing to do with her friendship with John). They do care about each other a great deal, and even now don't know if it's going to go past friendship.
As far as I know nothing's been posted outside of Aurora, which is a pretty closed community. I could be wrong - I don't really hop around much looking for stuff.
He has been honest with her. She knows everything down to the sex sites and lies. She knows about his emo side. I've been around both of you quite a bit to get both sides of the story, and she's got a good view of things. He can be infuriating but when push comes to shove he's a great guy who we both treasure. If they decide to take it a step beyond friendship with this trip then it's their business and I, personally, would be very happy for both of them.
As far as the length though, they only really became friends in August ... so no it's not been going on for a long time.
Yes, she's a year younger than you ... big deal. She's a lot more mature than most people, even when she's being goofy and clowning around. She has a level head on her shoulders. I don't see why you'd want to boot her from your friends list and myspace when she's done nothing to you.
It really irks me that you're calling her dumb. As far as she's concerned anything that happened between you and John is just that - between you and him and has nothing to do with what may or may not go on between the two of them. To insult her intelligence because she judges people on the way they treat her ... that's just not right. Not letting David around her? Come on. If John were to get another girlfriend would you keep David away from her for the same reason? John has a say in who David gets to be around too, and if he wants Chenoa to meet David he should be able to arrange that.
I've always respected you, even when I didn't agree with you. This, though, isn't something I can respect at all. I admit I'm probably a bit biased because you're attacking two of my closest friends. Sue me.
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:18 pm (UTC)
who has done nothing but lie to me since day one, I'm not sure.

For one, though, the thing between them is a fairly new thing ... onlystarting up after she broke up with her boyfriend (which had nothing todo with her friendship with John). They do care about each other agreat deal, and even now don't know if it's going to go pastfriendship.

Right, I know. Just like when Sam and I broke up, John and I got super close and he didn't know if we'd ever progress friendship status. He told me last night that she was going to come down to hang out and they'd see where it went from there. It was verbatum what he said to me, and trust me, when I went down there there was an expectation of sex on his part.

As far as I know nothing's been posted outside of Aurora, which is apretty closed community. I could be wrong - I don't really hop aroundmuch looking for stuff.

You, of all people, should know that being a closed community doesn't make something private. If it's on the internet, it can be found. There is a huge, huge chunk of my life right now that is terribly important to me that I don't post about. Why? Because I don't want people on the internet to know about it. I don't friends lock it, I don't filter it, I don't POST it becuase posting it is putting it out there with the acceptance that someone else could potentially find it. In posting this, I am well aware of the fact that John or Chenoa could find out about it by ways of a well-meaning reader. That's fine. I own my words and, as you know, have no problem sharing them with others.

He has been honest with her. She knows everything down to the sex sites and lies. She knows about his emo side

Of course he has been 100% honest with her. Which ties into why I think she's making a stupid decision. John told me he had cheated on past GFs, but was done. I bought it, hook line and sinker until one day I was the one getting screwed. He told me, when we first started talking, that I was the only girl he asked to send naked pictures to him. The only girl, besides, you know, Jenny of Jenny Girl, and that girl Jillian from Whatever dumb site. Should I add in here that they were both underage at the time?

Not letting David around her? Come on. If John were to get anothergirlfriend would you keep David away from her for the same reason? Johnhas a say in who David gets to be around too, and if he wants Chenoa tomeet David he should be able to arrange that.

If John were in a lasting relationship, then of course I'd let David see her, you should know I want David to have a father in his life. I am not, under any circumstances, going to let David around any sort of "new" relationship because if God Forbid John does something stupid, I don't want David involved in it. John does have a say, but a rather limited one. If I think he's being an irresponsible person as far as his relationships go, I can step in and limit their contact. I don't want to have to do that, but I need to keep David out of any potential clusterfuck.

Now, Miranda, you should know that I take no issue with age differences, even massive ones. And her being younger than me isn't really the big issue. The big issue is that your "honest" friend sold it to me like I was the only one he could ever love who was that much younger. That, as far as I am concerned, is true. He's not looking for 18 and 19 year olds to have meaningful relationships with, because he's not looking for a meaningful relationship from ANYONE. He's looking for play. Bottom line.

OT, but relevant nonetheless. He claims to have sent you, at some point, a video of me going down on him. I don't know what else he may have sent you, but I didn't give him permission to send ANY of it. In fact, I found out after the fact. Get it? He sent someone else videos of me without my consent. If that's what Chenoa want to get involved with, fine. Mozel tov to both of them!
___foulnectar
Oct. 11th, 2006 07:06 pm (UTC)
Even if he is lying to Chenoa and has an expectation of sex she's a big girl and can say no if she doesn't want to go that rout.
Yes, I know that having a closed community doesn't make it a safe one. I know for a fact that we had two trolls, one logging into someone elses account without their permission and reading things, another who signed up after the password on the violated account was changed. I don't take an offence like this as one against only the person who holds the account but on the whole board, because we all expect a certain level of privacy and that was defiled. It offended me greatly that it happened and I lost trust for the person behind it.
I do understand you not wanting to let David around random people who might not be around for the long haul. That isn't what you said though, and what you said was what I was reacting to. Chenoa isn't stupid (and I still don't get what she's done to you to make you want to remove her from various lists). I don't agree that his input is limited because whatever your feelings are for him he's still Davids father and rights come along with that.
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 07:09 pm (UTC)
Did you leak the post to Chenoa? I am asking you to be honest with me.

I have NO isseu with Chenoa other than her getting in between an argument between John and I that had VERY little to do with her. It was NONE of her business and she had NO RIGHT to jump at me and sling accusations (like I hated her, etc etc) that had ZERO basis in reality.
___foulnectar
Oct. 11th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
I haven't talked to her since she went to bed last night, before I saw this. I don't know if she's seen it or not, she has all my passwords and helps me out with stuff.

Now I'm asking you to be honest with me. Do you know anything about the leak we had at Aurora?
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
I don't even know what was leaked, unless you're talking about my being told about his being loved by someone. But as far as I knew, that wasn't in a locked forum?
___foulnectar
Oct. 11th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)
Love and things like "I love you" come up often between several of us.
It's absolutely retarded that we'd have a spy when there's nothing worth leaking or mentioning.
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 08:09 pm (UTC)
And yet according to john, the phrase in question was uttered by a real life friend. Nothing in this situation adds up
___foulnectar
Oct. 11th, 2006 08:14 pm (UTC)
*shrugs* Our main communication is through the internet doesn't mean we're not real life friends. We talk on Skype often. Whatever was said or whoever said it, it's his business.
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 08:28 pm (UTC)
"I haven't talked to her since she went to bed last night, before I saw this. I don't know if she's seen it or not, she has all my passwords and helps me out with stuff."

"Yes, Miranda was one. Two other people have contacted me about your post as well." from here

Care to explain?
___foulnectar
Oct. 11th, 2006 08:31 pm (UTC)
I did there.
I left her a message saying you posted an entry after she went to bed. I didn't tell her anything that was in it. I didn't get a reply from her, hadn't talked to her yet today (though I did a minute ago).
I own my words and actions.
skipperja
Oct. 11th, 2006 11:31 am (UTC)
You're in an unfortunate situation and now it seems that another young woman is being drawn into the the same thing. I suspect it won't do any good to warn her. Just try to keep David from being affected by all this.
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 01:19 pm (UTC)
Exactly. If she's going to walk into that hornets nest, that's her thing. My concern is that David come out of this unscathed.
mwalton
Oct. 11th, 2006 04:02 pm (UTC)
ugh, sorry you have to deal with this. But glad you are being careful for David's sake.
the_leh
Oct. 11th, 2006 10:57 pm (UTC)
That is awful. Guh. I'm so sorry. I guess she will learn in the long run, eh?
runawaybunni
Oct. 11th, 2006 10:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I sincerely doubt he's going to up and change for her.
sharya
Oct. 12th, 2006 04:40 am (UTC)
I'm so so sorry you have to deal with this emotional upheaval.

I have to ask though... what kind of idiot would be friends with you, and then go date your ex? Like seriously... that's grounds for ex-friending right there... I'm not sure why you're hesitating?
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